Do we have enough?

I was going to post this under "One egg, or two?" as that seemed appropriate, but then I looked at the posts and people are actually talking about eggs -- I thought it was a metaphor! So, I think we need one more egg, preferably a golden one, before we kick off against Manure. And looking at the finances I think we should be able to afford it. We've spent £40M or less on two players (Marco and Chico) and brought in two others for wages (Zab on free; Hart on loan). We cleared a lot of people off the wage bill, sold a few players, sent kids out on loan, and there's still the Payet excess after last season. I feel we still need more depth and more attack and it would be nice to see one or even two players still come in. It hurt to see Iheanacho off to Leicester -- we could have brought him in as well and then we'd be looking pretty good. What do you think?

Dicks is the man's picture

I think we need a quality DM. obiang, noble and kouyate at the moment. We could really do with improving this area as with the attackers packed in, we need someone to get the ball and keep things tight.

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mcbikeman's picture

i think we need a quality playmaker to take some of the weight off of Lanzinis shoulders...he gets injured who is there to open up the opposition?

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Dicks is the man's picture

but we have ayew, antonio, arnautovic? if we buy another lanzini both cant play so one will just get huff. when lanzini is out we expect shape to change.

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So by that logic you would have to let one of Noble, Obiang or Kouyate go? Which one.

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Dicks is the man's picture

why? im told kouyate can play cb. so why would one need to go? if we got an upgrade and you insist one goes then obiang. but for me we should have four dms as we play with 2 no?

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I can't see that if you bring in a better player than any of those three, all of those three staying. Look at the Hart situation. Everyone is lamenting the loss of Randolph and potentially Adrian, because we brought in a better player. It seems that we'd rather keep what we have for sentimental reasons, than progress. Wilshere for me would be a progression, if we lost one of Noble, Obiang, Fernandes or Kouyate, that's just how it goes. It's a tricky situation though, if you look at the striker situation or creative player (number 10), we need another for each. However we have to get someone that expects not to start as we have Hernandez (Attacking Midfielder) and Lanzini. Those players wouldn't be as good as the two mentioned but better than what we already have. The selection process gets narrowed more and more. It was my point about RB last year. no club probably part from a top three team would have more than two fullbacks for each side of the pitch. We had two RB's on the books and wages, so we were never buying another, unless we'd have offed Byram, as Arbeloa was always going to retire. Some people couldn't see that , but that is the reality of a club our size. But then people would've been moaning about Byram going, as he was a sort of crowd favourite, regardless of whether or not the player coming in was better. One in one out, that's how it is for clubs like West Ham

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Sack Bilic

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People are calling for slav to be sacked before the season has even started!!
You dont have to be a rocket scientist to know its shit or bust this season for him,especially with the new additions,but before a ball has been kicked??
Unbelievable,whatever happened to giving someone a fair crack at the whip...

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mcbikeman's picture

Mclaren!!!! venables!!! curbs!!!

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agree need another playmaker also another striker

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I know it's expecting too much, but yes we need another striker, playmaker for the squad and a defensive midfielder. We needed 2 strikers and a replacement for Payet before the end of the season. We have got 1 striker, maybe arnie can be a fill in playmaker and we bought a defensive midfielder last season sold him and haven't replaced him. Personally I think we need 2 dm playing at once so the rest can all do their attacking bit. I'd also sack bilic and get someone in who can organise this team defensively. I expect him to go sooner than later anyway, as we seem to be in exactly the same position as last year in our preparations. Of course getting to the subject of have we got enough the question is what is enough? If we are talking survival we should already have enough if used correctly.

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mcbikeman's picture

but like i said to fred who will you replace him with? then i saw that benitez is still not happy at newcastle over the transfer policy and if he walked i would not put it past the board to take swift action and get him in as he was there first choice and all but signed before madrid came in for him.

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Dicks is the man's picture

benitez is a class manager. you can't do much better than him. however i doubt he will quit on newcastle, not yet anyway. also, he will cost money….those words make our board feel ill.

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Something just giving me a hunch that they ARE looking at benetez. He is not getting what he wants at the toon and the board are waiting to strike. They may even be holding money back for him. If benetez leaves tomorrow I just hope I have got enough time to get to the bookies as I expect to to happen that quick. Class manager he maybe but if their board has led him up the garden path he may jump. He may even think he owes us as he had more or less agreed till the big guns came in.

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burkie's picture

We need an out and out striker pronto ,who have we at present ?,if you take Laurel & Hardy ,Carroll & Sakho out of the equation, Ayew ?hes not a striker .
It seems to be a perennial question for us now ,who goin to get us goals ? Iits guna be the same old shite ,if we manage 0-0 against Manua we ll count ourselves lucky

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Dicks is the man's picture

did you miss that we signed hernandez?

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burkie's picture

he's not a striker

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Dicks is the man's picture

whaaaat??

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burkie's picture

Attacking midfielder

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Dicks is the man's picture

hernandez? mate no way.

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moore 6 legend's picture

I think burkie is winding you up dicksy,but we have just signed a Swedish kid who is
Attacking midfielder / Forward burkie, Sead Hakšabanović if we ever see him lol

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Dicks is the man's picture

hes not winding me up hes thinking like bilic - hernandez in midfield and lanzini at right back.

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burkie's picture

You really do have a condescending way about you your opinion is the one that counts and thats it ,maybe your right in a way ,my idea of the word striker is similar to lets say Kane ,Lukaku ,Ibrahimovic ,Benteki ,they play mainly in the final third and generally on their own where as highly skilful players who most often start off moves that result in them scoring ,Courthino Willian Alli ,Firmino ,basically i wouldn't call any of the latter Strikers anymore than i would call the likes of Carroll and Sakho highly skillfull midfiel. Players

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Dicks is the man's picture

have you ever seen hernandez play? if so why are you comparing him to coutinho? hes a kane type goal poacher.

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Yep Mooro I'd say sead is our back up creative playmaker. Is he ready? No idea but we are unable to house a top name on our bench ATM. So Sullivan will tick that off his list.

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asheshammer's picture

Hernandez can score goals, MAYBE Martinez can score goals, when fit Carroll and Sakho can score goals. I think Ayew can score goals. I agree that despite appearances this leaves us light-on, because there's a lot of iffiness after Hernandez. But we really only have Lanzini as a creative player. I say this with all due credit to Antonio and Arnautovic: they will create chances, but mostly in the traditional way, getting behind defenses and making a good cross (or going themselves). Only Lanzini has the deft movement and splitting passes to make us look (occasionally) like Arsenal. Two seasons ago Noble seemed to be learning the skill, but I don't recall it last season at all. Not there in Obiang, Kouyate, Snodgrass, Feghouli ... who else am I missing? Maybe two creative players could start all the time, but we need depth in that position.

On the Benitez rumours: I'd love to see that change happen. I wanted to show faith in Slaven, but the pre-season does seem incredibly reminiscent of the last one, from the point of view of strategy and cohesion. And Benitez is a good manager, no doubt about that.

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Dicks is the man's picture

i understand your thinking but realistically are we going to sign another lanzini? what do liverpool do when coutino is out? these are the sort of players that you rarely have a 'back up' for on the bench because they are too good to sit there. for me its a case of if your best play maker is out, you have to reshuffle and reshape the team into a more basic side that can still be effective. i.e. if lanzini is out, switch to a 4-4-2 using the creativity from the wide positions i.e. arnautovic and antonio etc. i believe too many cooks is a bad thing, we aren't going to get anyone to play second fiddle at our club not anyone of note anyway. the alternative is you buy a youngster for the role but then we all know what will happen to him, or an old has been. but then they play so little that when you do need them they are all off the pace.

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asheshammer's picture

I see what you mean about a different shape. And yes, with Arnautovic AND Antonio wide, we can spread defences. Perfect if Carroll is healthy. I think, then, that we still need more, and I'm tempted to think a striker would be best. I like Obiang as the holding midfielder.

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mcbikeman's picture

seem to have lost the ability to change tactics and try and shoehorn players into the team pattern instead of shaking things up....2 up front gives those playing 3 at the back a lot more to deal with but of course you cant play 2 up top anymore in modern football....what a lot of nonsense its just the current trend is not to its the same as all this pass from back to defenders sitting wide of the pen area only get closed down and cause yourself untold problems hopefully bilic realises we should never be doing that with our defence!!

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Seem to be against working with and improving players! It al, revolves around getting players in rather than improving players a club has! Another reason this football is sh1t nowadays.

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asheshammer's picture

in more than one strategy. If these players aren't versatile enough to play in at least two different plans, then they simply aren't worth the salary. It's tempting to think the the bigger transfer fees and wages means that the players are somehow better, faster, more superhuman than in the old days, but in fact they might be worse: prima donnas with no left foot who can't play in more than one position or more than one shape (except fit and not-fit).

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Come on ashes, a plan b? Let's be confident we have a plan A first, after last seasons debacle.

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asheshammer's picture

plan A it is

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