Relegation the only thing that saves us

The only thing we can pray for is to go down. This constant insistence from out if touch pundits and commentators that relegation is bad and doom and gloom is nonsense. The perpetual clinging on by our fingertips is more doom and gloom in my book. The vast majority of West Ham seasons in the Prem that I can remember: Mid table bottom half finish, shit cup runs, might beat a big club at home but only a maximum of two, lose to the worst team in the league at home, maybe two, every 5 or so years a “cheap” maverick comes along and does a few step overs and rabonas. That’s it, that’s what we are, who we were and who we’ll always be. Embrace it fellow hammers. Average managers, owners and players. We couldn’t be any more mediocre than we are now under Moyes with the bird we have and the playing staff. So I do let’s forget about clinging on, only to cling on next year and the year after. Let’s take our medicine go down, cut the fat out of the team. We all know who they are. Use Noble, Snodgrass, Antonio to bring on some of our youth and go back to winning games. Playing some football. Let the fans have a season of joy. You never know a lot that have had enough might come back. Watch a bit of football, win most games and come back refreshed. The fans will be refreshed. You never know the owners might sell up and hand it on to someone else. Give a Gerard a chance to manage us in the Champs. Otherwise unfortunately all we are is the same as we were at UP but in a stadium we all hate.

Sorry Nev about the three posts. Been out the game a while

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Do u not recall last time we were there? big sam hoof ball? Lol even under pardew the football down there was dire most times. Team of old cast offs like Sheringham, Chadwick. Ask Ipswich where theyd like to be, league 1, the chumps, or mediocre prem.

The fairytale u paint is admirable but even the likes of Leeds playing good football are overrated. I watched them n they were pretty drab n will go straight down imo. Modern football is crap I agree but the good old days are gone. Might as well be mediocre in prem league than crap in the chumps. sadly it doesnt pan out the way you describe. you end up selling everyone, noble, snodgrass, Antonio et al, and u become sheff wed and the likes, buying worse foreign players coz they are cheap and selling anyone half decent that comes through your academy.

I mean look at stoke, heading for relegation again if not careful. once an established 'mediocre' prem side now practically hopeless. do you think their fans are loving it down there? its a myth, this idea of 'taking the club back' by relegation. it will never happen that you will suddenly get some heart and spirit back, a young side full of good talent...forget about it. we've been there and haven't done that. Pardew's good side was when we came up and he bought well but even that didn't last.

our best hope is to struggle on. try and buy better from where we are and build that younger, talented team while we at least have the resources. once the trap door opens, forget about it.

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I cant see us coming back for a long time.out of the premier league - then the tourists wont bother going anymore!! we will be half full with the dildos getting in the neck all the time unless hopefully they sell up.the chumps gets harder every season to get out of it.plus side it will be easier to get away tickets .

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That sums it up for me Betty,you could be right there,we are just prolonging pain.

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I think we need to be more like Leicester imo. battled to stay up, then the miracle of winning the prem with what was a pretty average prem league side (yes, we're never going to repeat that, no one prob will). but it shows what can be achieved by building a 'team' and not a bunch of mis match signings. right now, they are buying young, hungry talent and producing some themselves, and they are good to watch, their fans are happy and they look odds on for champs league. id say that's more a model even in a small way, rather than becoming Swansea

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I agree but it’s never gonna happen. We’re stuck in a rut of mediocrity and then appointment of dinosaurs to get us out of trouble. Allardyce, Pulis, Moyes, Warnock they’re all the same beast. Remember Allardyce came as a result of relegation. Unless this board go, nothing will ever change. I wouldn’t mind a season of some winning football. Watch a few young players come though. This monotony of the premiership is so boring now. Unless you’re supporting a top 4 side it’s no fun for anyone else.

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Betty, you're making it sound as if we'd be a shoe in for promotion with a radically changed squad and mindset. Remember we've been relegated before, had a mass clean out then bought a load of shit, struggled via play offs to get promoted and then given that same shit, new contracts on more money, and then tried the fancy Dan approach with buying foreigners. Your original post was more accurate in that we are a mediocre team, always have been with a sprinkle of fairy dust every now and then brightening the day. Until the evil trio at the top fuck off, that's our lot in life. I'll grant you it ain't what we want but I'd rather finish 17th every season than get relegated and have to face the shit that exists down there, playing more games, earlier cup exits and praying for a return to the big time

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I think relegation gets rid of the owners. We need owners willing to invest in the infrastructure of the club. The training ground is like Sunday league, who wants to train there ?whilst they’re there I agree with how relegation looks. If they go it could oh so different. It’s sad you’d take 17th in the prem, because you get f all in return. Just more of the same next year.

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Relegation could be the end of us though. Parachute payments would help but let's face it G&S would make sure they got their money back first if that was to happen, the then fire sale of players at significant loss would be a further hit, plus the reduction in revenue. We would literally have to rebuild and let's face it, every time we try that we somehow fuck it up. G&S know, or should unless they're totally retarded, that the fans have had a gutful of their bullshit and they will leave I believe within 3 years. New owners are the shot in the arm we need, not relegation again. It pains me to prefer 17th to relegation but let's be honest we're no nearer the top 6 than we were 10years ago. G&S have seen to that, can't even get a stadium sponsor FFS. How crap do you have to be for that to be the case? They "saved" us once before and they will do again by leaving, but that's only gonna happen with a Premier League team.

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Problem is we cant attract decent young talent,only bargain basement has beens that might just keep us up dragging out the pain,if we do go for younger players,with no premier experience and build from there,which would be good, then we will go down,Sugo dont want that,they want Premier league at any cost,which in turn drags out years of pain and dross.

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yeah but I don't buy that. I believe we can easily attract decent younger players. its just our board won't do it and we don't have the proper scouts and networks in place. im not sure Moyes is the right man for the task either but I would give him a chance. he spoke of younger players and no cast offs so I;ll wait and see. instead of 40 mill on the likes of Anderson and fornals, we should be buying two or three young English talents imo that will form the backbone for years to come. we are lucky to have Rice, if we can add to him we'll be on the right path.

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Yes i agree,buy decent young players,and build a team,and as you also say the backbone for years to come,but the answer is in the years to come, it will take time,and we will probably go down before we get better,but the higher echelons dont want that to happen.It is sound sense to get younger players,but success wont happen over night,and as i state if these youngsters are any good the chances are these so called bigger boys will get them first,as they seem to always do.

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Payet rumours typify this Essex. Has been. It’s a token gesture. Keep the fans off my back for a few weeks. Nonsense

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Exactly that Betty.

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I agree and tbh if we re-sign this bum then we will know one thing for sure - Moyes has little say in transfers. he is in no way what Moyes looks for. as if we need another maverick attacking flop.

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Dropping out the Prem will be catastrophic for West Ham. Whats more why should we even accept relegation? 18th most richest club in the world should be in its national top league. The problem is squarely on the shoulders of the shambles called owners who run the club like a circus!

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I’m being realistic. The delusion that somehow these owners are going to change is what has let them control us into this necessity of staying in the prem for so long. Catastrophe, Armageddon, Disaster is all I hear. Well I already feel
Like Armageddon, Disaster, Catastrophe week in week out. So for the owners 17th year in year out is fine. Lovely jubbly all that Sky money rolling in. No cup run just dross for us fans. Your acceptance of this monotony is how these two divs get awa with it. Can’t wait to see 15000 in that shit stadium next year. Let’s see how long they stick around.

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You used to love these old cronies too lol. I agree with your sentiments Betty, but I don't agree with how you believe it will pan out. like I said above, the 'grass is always greener'. so we go down, the owners leave. someone else takes over, probably Chinese or arab, and we become a QPR, money yes but its still not working. we're stuck in the championship every season, getting worse as each season goes by. soon the gap between us and the 17th place Prem side is so massive that we can forget about ever staying up if we ever get there ala Norwich. I'm not sure Norwich fans enjoyed the ride. yes their club has an identity, is well run and the rest, but where are they heading?

its not perfect but my hope for the club is that we stick with Moyes, he keeps us up. he then starts buying players who can work hard and a system kind of like his Everton that makes us good at home, gives us stability and a chance to make cup runs. the squad is massively imbalanced. too many pretend maradonas ala fornals and Anderson. we need a team like palace that has balance and the magical in zaha imo. that gives the fans something to cheer when they see a team working hard instead of giving up and fighting relegation every season.

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Top post DITM... totally agree

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You’re mate. Particularly when the bailed the club out. But this move and the shit they fed us is too much. I know so many STH that don’t go. The same people who made up the 28000 STH when we were in the Champs last time. Moyes has no jurisdiction over transfers. He has said he had more control at Manu to an ex player I know. All I know is that if we stay up it’s another season like this till the owners go. We don’t know what will happen if we go down. But we do know what will happen if we stay up

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Mate I sure as hell dont accept it! I drag my sorry arse to the Bowl of Misery to all home games bar yesterday, on biz in Ireland, and ive had a belly full of these clowns, as I said.. a circus! Now the circus is looking at more ageing overpaid mercenaries in the window for more panic buys to fit in with the rest of the Carlos Kickabouts that show less effort than I do to get to Stratford!

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Whatever way you look at this,relegation,or just keeping in the premier league,something has got to be done.I understand the the two Davids owning the club,but its not on,them thinking just keep in the premier league,to make us richer.What about the fans that pay good money,especially the loyal season ticket holders year in year out that turn up and want to see success of some shape,thats showing no concern for us,and seriously taking the piss.

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are we being totally fair though? did they not get rid of the 'easy' option of Moyes and appoint very expensively, someone most fans actually wanted at the time?? yes, hindsight says it was a poor choice but they weren't really to know that were they? and they actually backed the ditherer in the transfer market too.

I sometimes wonder if we do look at the position of the club and lay all the blame at the owners. but honestly, if I think about it, they did try and push the club forward. I mean they could have kept Moyes on the cheap, told him to buy cheap and get on with it. in hindsight that probably would have been a lot better! though the point is, they went for more.

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The thing is Dicksy,we moved grounds in the name of progression and thats what we were told would happen,and we havent,in comparison of the grounds revenue etc we are a damn site worse off.Im sure i read when we moved that at the point of a four year period,and beyond we would be a top 6 club,it certainly dosent apply to this league.Yes they have changed managers,but that has made no difference,and still struggling in the transfer market,just not appealing at all,to any so called top player,so where does the problem lie,it has to be the hierarchy,and the spin doctor lady Brady,that spun it all to us to leave the Boleyn.

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I hear you mate. I'm only saying they appoint a manager, they don't manage the team. So I do see that they tried on the manager front.

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