West Ham United v Liverpool FC Team Sheets

West Ham: Adrian, Fonte, Reid, Collins, Byram, Fernandes, Nordtveit, Cresswell, Lanzini, Ayew, Calleri.
Subs: Randolph, Feghouli, Snodgrass, Ogbonna, Fletcher, Quina, Rice.

Liverpool: Mignolet, Clyne, Lovren, Matip, Milner, Can, Wijnaldum, Lallana, Coutinho, Origi, Sturridge.
Subs: Karius, Moreno, Grujic, Alexander-Arnold, Lucas, Klavan, Woodburn.

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asheshammer's picture

Totally agree with H65 that with the lineup there was no reason to expect us to get anything from the game. And we were outplayed, to be sure, in both halves. Yet Byram should have been on target (and if so, would have scored), and Ayew should have scored with not one but two clear opportunities at the end of the half. First half could have been a totally different story: 1-1, or 2-2 or even 2-1 to us going into half time. After the half we were piss poor, there's no doubt about that. Liverpool came out of the gates and we didn't. But Slav's double change was designed to put some attack back in the side, and to be honest the back three formation didn't look like it was going to hold out anyway. So they went up 2-0 and it looked like game over, but Feg added some spark and suddenly from a corner we should have had a penalty and be back in the game 2-1. The fact that the ref didn't give the pen and we went down 3-0 was the end of the match right there for me. It IS terribly frustrating that West Ham completely threw in the towel at that point -- that is unprofessional and I'd even say disrespectful to the home fans in the last home game of the season. But it's understandable that we collapsed like a pricked balloon at that point. What I agree with is that we need huge changes to the team, plus a LOT of investment, if we are going to avoid relegation next season. We have to be among the five or six teams in trouble as things are right now. Yes we have a lot of injuries, but it's not as if Carroll or Sakho will ever be fit for long periods, and the rest, including Noble, Kouyate, Ogbonna, Obiang -- are OK players but not playmakers. West Ham need at least 2 GOOD signings to create a solid foundation. It will be years before we crack into the top 6-8. Every team from 9-17 is about the same, and that's scary.

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Had Noble played today there first and 2nd goal wouldve been prevented.

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Dicks is the man's picture

lol

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asheshammer's picture

I think that might have stopped the second goal. The first seems to me to have been Byram's fault by playing Sturridge on. Coutinho showed his worth by reacting instinctively and making a perfect pass. Cresswell probably should have been able to recover, but he wasn't anywhere near quick enough. Sturridge is a great finisher one-on-one, so I don't blame Adrian for getting rounded. So I think the first goal goes in whoever we have in midfield. Just wonder, however, whether Noble/Kouyate would have given us more of a backbone.

Klopp reacted to West Ham's set up really well, though. He had Lallana playing as a false 9 and even Coutinho sitting deep, forcing Fonte, Reid and Collins to come out to the point where it'd be easier to pick us apart with quick movement and good passing. When we didn't play that game, Liverpool had so much time on the ball, and people like Milner could pick out attackers all day, Coutinho too. When we did play that game, we got caught out and they ripped us apart. It's here where I think maybe Noble/Kouyate could have made a bigger difference than Nordveidt/Fernandes. Fernandes had a few good plays early on but faded, and Nordveidt seemed mostly a passenger to me. Fernandes I can forgive -- I think he'll get better. Nordveidt I think we should get shot of in the close season.

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We can talk all we like about injuries, but fact remains is they are all professionals and all players bought specifically to play in needs like this. A defeat is one thing but that performance was just unprofessional, but then what do we expect from a team that has seen its manager act like an amateur for pretty much all the season anyway. Fact remains a team plays in the image of its manager.

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Was fonte not byram who kept em onside mate! Generally just Noble playing wouldve prevented the first one as that gap wouldnt have been there. Kouyate definitely wouldve given us more drive. When both on form there the best CM duo we have(I didn't forget the good but slightly overrated Obiang)

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asheshammer's picture

I was/am inclined to agree with you about Nobes, at least for the second goal, but reading all the reports of the match, it really seems like just about everybody thinks we didn't even come to the races, including our next manager ... Arsene Wenger (just kidding).

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Dartford Bhoy's picture

excellent summary Ashes, I think the Bilic move to a back four was also to blame for the collapse.

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burkie's picture

Oh leave it out Dartford i cant think of another team in the prem that has so much dead weight its a perennial problem for us truth is we need to rebuild we have a gem in Lanzini and he for gets isolated for much of the matches another gem is Masa Reid ging the rest only get a 5 or 6 out of ten i agree 100%with dicksy ,all the tosh he mentions must go and through in Snodgrass ,if you think our problems lye in the fact that we revert to a back four instead of a back three well im afraid your kidding yourself our problems run deep and between the owners, the board, the manager and the back up staff their making a f##k of it ,a good start would be finding out whos at fault for bringing in all this dross ,lets be honest when the French man (who s name cannot be mentioned) was in his element we thought all our troubles were over we seemed to be building the team around him and the results were sensational ,its not the playing formation or tactics thats wrong its the structures of our great club

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Agree burkie structure is wrong and pretty much all the the staff down to the first team have made a right mess of things. We won't get rid of g and s but they themselves should get rid of any of the imcomptents! It seem like the whole club is run like a division 2 club and until we get in some top class people to run the club in important areas then the rest is papering over cracks! Let's start acting like a top club in the way we do things, then maybe we can worry about who we sign or offload. ATM the clubs foundations are built on sand!

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Dartford Bhoy's picture

The move to a back four was never going to work as we have absolutely nothing up front to capitalise on an attaching formation. I agree the problems run deep but when you have an average squad and 8 are missing against a top three side you are always going to struggle

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burkie's picture

Negrado anyone ?

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Dicks is the man's picture

should have bought him last summer. would have done a job when carroll was out. but ship has sailed now imo.

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Surprised he ended up at boro!!

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La Vida Hammer's picture

If and a big if, we had the best first 11 playing for most of the season we would not be far off 5th spot........If then we were not performing you could blame the manager. I know its a squad game but even the big boys would not last long with half there first 11 out. Take Chelsea, if Hazard doesn't perform they are mediocre and last season proved it

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