Coaching Team

Just to give an opportunity to break from the monotony of the striker theme, what do people thinking about our coaching staff? I sit very close to the bench on match days and Chris Woods and especially Julian Dicks don't say or do anything. Now maybe they do a lot more at training but I get the feeling not. I feel that Dicks especially is totally token gesture. That's fine if you're successful, but he's taking the place of someone who might add something. Jurcevic is basically to Slav what Phil Neal was to Graham Taylor. Then we've got a 35 year-old first team coach who played a bit of lower league. Where's the debate? Where's the other opinion coming from? Surrounding yourself with a load of yes men is great if it all goes well, look at Conte and Mourinho but not if you're struggling

Dicks is the man's picture

its a difficult one tbh. i agree don't see what Dicks does really. he speaks a good game now and then and i guess we don't know what input he does have but to me he always looks a bit on the 'outside' of things on the bench. the problem you have when you have an assistant who contradicts what you are doing is then it becomes a bit of a negative effect. I've always seen the manager as the man in control, old fashioned style. i can't imagine maclaren or co being allowed to question fergies team selections or tactics. I've often wondered what the assistant manager is there for really. to relay the managers instructions across to the team i guess. but imo it wouldn't work if you have someone arguing with those instructions. i do think Bilic is suspect in terms of tactics, at times he looks muddled. perhaps he's learning on the job, at least we can hope so. I've always liked the more tactically astute managers rather than the tracksuit trainer types but thats just me. i agree fergie was never struggling so probs a bad example. but the issue is the manager is the manager so if things aren't going well he needs a clear understanding of what needs to be done….not voices around him saying do this or do that….surely that would muddle him more no? one thing i will add is if you look at the 'best' managers around from today and also the past, they all had a clear defined way of playing. i think this is really important. with Bilic he doesnt have this, he seems to be trying everything out which is just no good. he needs to identify his style and strategy and stick to it imo.

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Dicks is the man's picture

did I write all that? wtf.

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mcbikeman's picture

all your months word quota for this month dicksy so best go take a knap

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Essexhammer's picture

Agree Dicksy...this season will certainly be make or break for Bilic and his backroom staff.If he makes another balls up of the players coming in this transfer window,they wont last long into the season.But I get the feeling Bilic will take far more care in his selection process this time round.He cannot afford to take a risk on players brought in,hedging his bets whether they can cut it in the premier league,he has got to go for proven premiership players with pedigree.

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mcbikeman's picture

he has big problems but like you say who dares mention anything on matchdays steve bould just sits there picking up his cheque why rock the boat so why would our coaches be any different or maybe they have offered a diff point of view keep getting knocked back so become disenchanted and think why bother if he wont listen....get roy keane in there will be a bit more debate on the coaching side....

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Obviously you don't want an assistant manager or coaches that are negative or disruptive, but they do need to offer an alternative view. Maybe ideas to bonce off each other. I'd say woods' job is specialised and obviously only comes into play from a keepers point of view. After working with them in the warm up he won't have much to do during the match. Dicks seems to offer absolutely zero, can't help thinking he is just a figure head. One of the biggest worries is bilics lack of a defined clear plan of how he wants the team to set up and play.

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It worries me that Julian Dicks is apparently in charge of crossing and shooting drills. We should re hired sheringham and got Rio on board. Most clubs have multiple specialised coaches. At least the medical room looks to be getting a much needed overhaul

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mcbikeman's picture

about Dicks and it is a strange one....Rio slav did not want help from and considering the shape we were in it was another strange decision...sherringham as well is another good shout but seemingly he again would probably spoil slavs little group of friends.players need to respect and buy into what the manager and coaches are trying to get them to do but clearly on more than one occasion last season they did not and like a few people on here i have my worries over keeping the same group together but bilic has made that decision so it is a wait and see again.

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Its a shame Bikeman that Bilics stubborness has to affect us all over again, id prefer him to allardyce but still.

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mcbikeman's picture

is hope that lessons have been learned and this coming season sees the squad better prepared and hopefully with Lewin now onboard we can get to grips with the terrible injury list we seem to have each year

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If Rio and sheringham were on the coaching staff they would just get a lot of respect from the players based on what they have achieved in football which is far more than anyone else on the coaching side. Bilic has had minimal success but the rest have done diddly squat so maybe the players don't respect them? It would certainly explain a lot. The coaches have to get it right from the off next season no excuses, it's gona be a tricky start and we can't be left wanting due to bad preseason preparation

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That im not actually counting the days down to the new season,is this a bad omen for the coming term,or am i just falling out of interest with the game...i fear the latter!!

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I'm already there 65. I've been the latter since SAMs lasts year

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Ill go a few games next season as usual,but i just dont have the same feel for it as i used to....
Too much money in the game,poncey primma-donna players,who have billy big bollocks attitudes from a very young age!! Where are the working class heroes!!
Also the move has changed our club beyond recognition,ive no problem with people who prefer the new stadium,but for me the sense of community side of uppers cant be rectified at the new place...
As i said ill go a few games cos its my team,but the interest is waning...

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asheshammer's picture

All I can add is that I think the same approach should apply to coaching as it does to players: you should constantly be trying to improve. That means either the coaches you have get better at what they do, or you bring in new coaches who are better. Same goes with the manager. IMPROVE OR MOVE.

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Dicks is the man's picture

But to be fair, how do we know rio and sheringham are any good at coaching? we just assume they must be because we know them as players. its same as management, a 'good' player doesn't always equal a good manager. i also find it a bit dubious about having 'specialised' coaches. surely at the level these players are at they don't need a massively paid coach to tell them how to score goals or how to keep the ball out of the net (for gk) etc. i often wonder whether the game has gone so far up itself that its morphed into some sort of job providing, money wasting business machine.

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Dicksy I agree with your Rio, sheringham comments but I do feel a specialised coach does have a role in football. Whether that be for our young players or players suffering bad form. Spotting flaws in a players technique and working on them. our players get to a point they never improve or get good coaching on their game flaws, that need to be coached out of them.

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Dicks is the man's picture

yes but my point is a coach can do this. why this need for several specialised coaches these days? did george graham have a striker coach for ian wright and alan smith back in the day or a coach to take overall training? the thing is if you have a 'modern day' coach, he surely should be more than capable of doing more than putting cones out here and there. so when you say bring in sheringham or rio as 'specialised' coaches, it just seems so needless and as i said just a way of giving people unnecessary jobs. it just begs the question what on earth are the coaches already at the club being paid to do?

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mcbikeman's picture

sweet F.A.

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I wondered most weeks what our coaches and mangers do with the players. Bit of five a side, a stroll with their dogs apparently, then off to the pub. Keeping with the clubs traditions then

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Ferguson used to have 5 or 6 coaches with his first team. Why do players like Carrick and Rio improve when they leave us? Because they get better coaching.

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