Player Power

What I am about to say is meant to be constructive. We have had two good experience managers in Bilic and Pellegrini. Both finally had Hammers playing well and pushing up the table then all of a sudden we start to lose game after game until we are near relegation and both then get the sack. I find it odd that these managers go from being so experienced to quite incompetent. We go from excited that they are the new manager to “can't wait for them to be given the sack”.

Will it now happen to Moyes? Will he get us at the right end of the table and then the next moment lose just about every game till we are on the verge of relegation, and he goes?

What is this force that makes it happen that can destroy a manager, it must be Player Power. You see it in other clubs and WestHam are no different.

Mark Noble said in his message to the fans about Pelligini “but I do feel like we need to walk before we can run and build something”. Noble has been a professional in the top end of the game for over 15 years. If by now he does not know how to “walk”, what is the team to do? Keep in the bottom half of the table so Noble understands the instructions from the manager and he always gets a game.

Based upon what Noble is saying if Pep Gardiola or Jurgen Klopp became our manager, they would expect us to run, and they would meet the same fate as Pelligrini and Bilic. Sheffield United are way above us with mostly Championship players and they clearly know how to walk and run. Why don't we?

The facts are, you cannot learn to swim by paddling and you cannot learn to run until you run. If you can't walk, drop out of the team.

I don't know the answer to Hammers constant plight, I'm just a fan sitting on the outside looking on. All I can do is refer to historical performance and by what the loyal servant Mark Noble said. Which reminded me of Bobby Moore (who was another servant to hammers and another massive influence in the dressing room) who in the last few of his seasons we were playing to his level until he finally left for lower division Fulham. Is it the same for Mark Noble, I don't know.

In this latest WestHam drama I am asking myself, is Mark Noble the Protagonist or the Antagonist.

Dicks is the man's picture

Managers need the fergie approach. That is be ruthless. Not necessarily verbally at the players but weed out the moaners and get rid. Wenger's prob was exactly that players didn't perform yet he still blew smoke up their arse. Another thing is to make them work hard on and off the pitch. Bilic was shoddy in training, lazy and I suspect same of pellegr. Moyes is old school
Fergie style in that respect. I think when the slack hits, he'll know what to do

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mcbikeman's picture

He got shot of many early doors whoever they were....Pogba one prime example they stupidly got him back and he has been nothing but a pain to them ever since and always wanting a move......but todays managers problems stem from players being more of an asset than the manager and when you hear Noble has chats with Sullivan etc then the manager is on a sticky wicket....hopefully Moyes lets say more aggressive approach may make a few of the moaners shut up and start working instead of shirking

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Dicks is the man's picture

imo, its no coincidence that the 'hard working' teams are Bournemouth, burnley, sheff u, Newcastle - all managed by British managers. yes, there are exceptions of course, but in my view its the old fashioned hard grafting on and off the field that adds consistency to teams and those sort of managers are usually the ones that stick around or are kept around longer.

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Dartford Bhoy's picture

But would it be fair to say that Bournemouth, burnley, sheff u, Newcastle have no BIG Stars and hence as individuals all they can offer is JUST hard graft? Please dont get me wrong, the work rate is very important the management competency is getting both hard working yet skilful game changing players. We have seen them, Payet and Tevez spring to mind, even Arnie when not sulking. A hard working Anderson would be something to behold!

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Dicks is the man's picture

yes you are right, however I was meaning more a 'hard working team'. that is all the players doing what they are supposed to, supporting each other in the system etc.

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Dartford Bhoy's picture

And we worked really hard today!!! Great performance, saw off the typical banana skin !!!

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Bondsy's picture

When Moyes left at the end of the 2018 season I was non committal about him going and decided to give Pellegrini the benefit of the doubt, but when first Noble then others started to question his training techniques this season (he changed them at the start of this season) it seemed to work at first but as players still argued with him we started losing games and he had to go.
Moyes will stabilise us maybe not get us far up the table due to the top six teams probably still beating us more often than we would like but I doubt now we will get relegated as his style will get us points off the teams around us. Everton were always around the top 6 or 7 under him and given time I expect Moyes to do the same the season after next (possibly next season), once he has the players he wants and that could take at least the 18 months he has been given.
Will Sullivan give him this time ? we wait and see.

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