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In the interests of resolving the issue before we're due to play WBA, FIFA have fasttracked their investigation into the possible ineligibility of Sakho playing vs Bristol City.
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Should never have been on the
Should never have been on the bench imho and I will not be surprised if we're booted out. If we get booted out then so should the manager for picking him. He cannot hide behind lawyers on this one. Managers manage, and he has failed miserably in his duties. i.e. reading up on the rules of eligibility of injured players who are called upon for International Cup Comps. Could of been our year. Bye Sam you complete pillock.
I agree Orange.
If we are proven to have acted improperly, then the Manager has to fall on his sword.
FIFA have fined us 71k
FIFA have fined us 71k with no further action. I would see what our FA have to say about it first before taking any further action or appealing, because basically 71k is a slap on the wrist for West Ham to be honest and raising an appeal through our lawyers and FIFA would cost more! I would only appeal if our FA take action that woulsd see us being withdrawn from the FA Cup!
It was typical of West Ham to play him after we said he was unable to play in the African Cup of nations and once again we have failed to interpret the rules which so far has seen a fine and hopefully not being kicked out of the competition by our own FA.
Should be OK
but I don't trust FIFA. Apparently medical advice was he could not fly. Back problems and back spasms in particular are very difficult to give prognosis on, but if the medical advice was NOT to fly, then we should be fine. Senegal were given the option to send out their medical guys, but they ignored us. Sakho was not selected in the end - if he had of been, he could have joined the team later. This one could go on and on - my concern is we won't know this week, which will probably mean Sakho misses out on the Manure game, which will leave us totally short up front if AC is still injured. What a time for this to happen....I reckon Valencia and Sakho would have had a real go at the Manure back 3.
Hope you're right, Fish.
If all of the official stuff being said is true, West Ham should be exonnerated. And besides, what REALLY should end this right now is that Sakho wasn't selected. Once that choice is made, I don't see how Senegal have any case at all or how West Ham have anything to answer for. The fact that it's continuing, however, makes me think there is more happening than meets the eye. And West Ham, as we know, seem to suffer disgraces that other teams would never dream of. This one has me really worried.
Agree with all you say.
Agree with all you say. However if we leave Sakho out because of FIFA's action (or inaction) I believe we should seriously consider legal action, not just against FIFA but also against Senegal.
I like to know what that
I like to know what that Senegal frog Alain Giresse and his Witch doctors are doing to our players
Indeed! It seems to have been
Indeed! It seems to have been forgotten that Sakho's injury first occurred in November while on international duty with Senegal. That he (as far as I recall) only played a few mins as a sub in one of those 2 qualifiers, and yet came back to his parent club unable to play due to inept medical treatment by Senegal's staff. And now Kouyate also returns to us injured -- I watched Senegal's last game and he did not go off injured. And yet we are the ones being investigated??!!
Definitely something not right there.
Remember how nobody at West Ham would talk about Sakho's injury? It leaked out that he was injured during inept physio treatment, but to this day we don't know the exact source or the extent of his injury. And even though he's continued to score, you could see since his return that he wasn't 100%. Now I thought there was talk back then of suing Senegal, but apparently nothing has come of that. And then Kouyate was supposed to have travelled on special flights and had support from West Ham medical staff during the ACON. So just how and why has he returned injured. And now I hear we are in for another Senegal player to replace Reid in the summer! It's all a bit too much. My one worry is that the back injury was faked to keep Sakho from going to the ACON just as payback for what was done to him. If we did that we're screwed.
But Sakho himself would have
But Sakho himself would have to be in on that: he seems to be very keen on playing for his country, so I really doubt he'd go along with such a scam, or that our management would be so stupid. And why then did we wait 3 1/2 weeks before even using him as a sub? Doesn't make any sense to me.
I've spoken to WrightyShanghai
And he says there is nothing to worry about.
I asked him what he bases this confidence on, and he told me "Under 9 Essex chess champion, which stood me in good progress in the nationals, never looked back".
Makes sense to me...
same old darrenharry , we
same old darrenharry , we would be nothing without you . burkie
Surely we should be entitled
Surely we should be entitled to believe that our legal people were consulted before Sakho played. Sam shouldn't have taken the decision to use him on his own. If he did do that, then, if we are kicked out of the cup, he should get the boot as well. FIFA are a shifty shower of manure and Blatter will do anything to get votes, from the African community. I remain worried. Did we learn anything from the Tevez debacle??
£71,000 fine
is our punishment for playing sakho plus fifa have taken no action over our place in the cup.. all in all not to bad then..
We should refuse to pay. If
We should refuse to pay. If they want 71k let a couple of their executives flog their "free" watches. That they haven't tried to have us thrown out of the FA Cup is tantamount to saying we did nothing wrong, but Blatter could not be seen to not support one of his voters. Sue FIFA for damages to our reputation, and Sakho's reputation, as they have also "reprimanded" him. If they want to call us liars they should prove it in court. Time somebody took on this corrupt dictatorial monolith.
If that's the end of it. Can
If that's the end of it. Can Bristol appeal? Anybody know? Still should not have happened.
their considering their
their considering their options Moore, we could still be in trouble , he did score the wining goal
After the Tevez affair I can
After the Tevez affair I can't understand how the club didn't see this. They have lawyers that would point the rules out to them. The fact he wasn't used last weekend sounds like they had a Homer Simpson moment Doh! and realised they had made a mistake. Lets hope there is no more punishment down the line.
Bad press, bad karma, bad blood
While FIFA may be a corrupt organisation itself, this just doesn't look good for West Ham at all. We have previous for playing ineligible players and winning 1-0 off of that player's goal. No one is going to believe we are not guilty. The bad karma will follow us in the CUP, and maybe haunt Sakho for a long time (one day he will have to face irate Senegal teammates, manager, selectors, and fans). Bristol City will now sue for at least £1M, and if I were them I'd wait and see how far WH get and sue according to that. All of this is Sam's fault for bringing the player to the bench and then playing him. An ounce of prevention would have been the right way to proceed.
The FA are taking no action
The FA are taking no action against West Ham. This will be confirmed in a press conference on friday
£71,000 is less than one week's salary for Andy Carrol! This was just a slap on the wrist, it would cost ten times the amount at least to appeal.
The trouble is that meek
The trouble is that meek acceptance of the fine is to accept guilt. I think that is why FIFA acted this way, they guessed that West Ham would not contest the fine and therefore there would be no confrontation with the FA, and no challenge to their hegemony in the international courts. The worry I have is that the FA can say what they want, if we accept our guilt (which I STRONGLY do not) that might not prevent other clubs (that we beat in the FA Cup) from doing a "Sheffield United" and seeking "compo." Can we allow such a situation to be hanging over us?
I sincerely hope they make it
I sincerely hope they make it clear that Sakho was completely eligible to play in the FA Cup... But I bet they are mealy mouthed about it!
Im not getting this
Thanks to Dave on C&B FIFA punished us under:
Article 5 (the actual rule) reads: “A player who has been called up by his association for one of its representative teams is, unless otherwise agreed by the relevant association, not entitled to play for the club with which he is registered during the period for which he has been released or should have been released.”
The punishment is Article 6.2 adds: “If a club refuses to release a player or neglects to do so despite the provisions of this annexe, the Fifa Players’ Status Committee shall furthermore request the association to which the club belongs to declare any match(es) in which the player took part to have been lost by the club concerned. Any match contested according to the cup system shall be regarded as having been won by the opposing team, irrespective of the score.”
However. The provisional Senegal ACON squad selected on 26 December 2014 INCLUDED Sakho. But the FINAL 23 man squad, selected on 7 January 2015 EXCLUDED Sahko.
If he's not in their squad how does Article 5 apply to us?
This is one of the points
This is one of the points that could be contested in a court, which is why FIFA gave us a "small" fine: they presume we won't contest it. Always remember -- MOST CORRUPT ORGANISATION IN THE HISTORY OF SPORT All Blatter cares about is votes from countries like Senegal.