How many points!

that was a terrible game 65, i went downstairs to make a cupa at H T and the second half of the spurs villa game came on so i said i'd watch it , bloody good game , what i saw of it , any way when i went upstairs again to watch our match i had a little bet with myself " bet he's got Laurel & Hardy on " and sure nuff !!!!!!!!!

A lot! If we'd had the right tactics to kill teams off, we'd be fighting for 5th place with Southampton. Instead the confidence has drained out our players and we were very lucky to even get a point today.

7 points lost courtesy of goals scored in the 90th min or latter this season

Especially after that today as that was shocking! Stoke are awkward and the game is always drab but 35% possession and 11 shots v Stokes 18 shots??? I stayed until the end as I knew something was going to happen as you could sense it wasn't over. The fact that Allardyce brought on Carlton Cole and Kevin Nolan says it all and anyone who thinks he is the manager to push this club forward into the future may as well support the Spuds, as they are delusional! Why buy Nene? What was the point? What goes through his mind when he see's Cole and/or Nolan playing so badly? Cole was falling over his feet and contributed nothing but a yellow card and funnily enough so did Nolan! I have had it with Allardyce and the sooner we get rid of this arrogant pathetic excuse for a 'manager' the better. I have no interest in going to the remaining home games and will only do it for Oliver, but he hates Allardyce more than me and left the stadium absolutely gutted. Keep's us up is the excuse most people give but that's not good enough in my book, and I actually think he is now turning on the fans with his decisions as they just don't make any sense and are very bad. Fuming!!!

I watched all the first half. We started brightly and for 15-20 minutes we looked ok. Stoke got more into the game and had much more possession up to half time. I missed a chunk of the game in the second half but saw the last 20 minutes where we were dead lucky to come away with a draw. Players looked lost. There is no creativity or ideas. Ball retention is poor and skill levels wanting. Attitude is suspect. There needs to be a new philosophy and a mix of ideas as poor tactics and substitutions are costing us dearly. Allardyce picked a good starting line up been which should have been more positive but again we reverted to a defensive mode and sat back trying to catch Stoke on the break but when we did break we were bereft of ideas and passed backwards, sideways or in no mans land. This is bloody poor at any level. Allardyce cannot change but some of the players are not pulling their weight either. Clearout needed at end of the season.

Did them a lot of good, eh? Bit jaded before that, eh? Needed the warm weather and all that ... give me a break!

i was listening to Ray Houghton on the radio today , he said the first bit of sense ive heard from the pundits he was asked if Sam was in any danger and he said " the majority of west ham fans never wanted him , because their the type of fans who love their football to be entertaining , they just never took to him "

Well Hammer 65 we've played 32 games, the first 8 we got 13 points. The second 8 we got 15 points, but from here on in it's a downward spiral. The third 8 we got 9 points and the last 8 we got 6 points. What will we get on the last 6, God only knows. The last 16 games 15 points from a possible 48. The thing that brought it home to me about our form was last week on Motd they were discussing the games the relegated threatened teams had left to play and when West Ham was mentioned as one of the opposing teams it was considered a very winnable game for those fighting relegation. Far cry from the early season when West Ham were actually feared.

I'm making my 1st visit to the Etihad next week, I was up for it looking forward to visiting a new stadium etc I can feel it in my water that we are either going to get a lucky point or it another Notts forest ( fa cup ) job and have the piss taken.. I'm even contemplating in going to the Villa in a few weeks and they have picked up some points lately....

West Ham manager Sam Allardyce “bewildered” at throwing away two points against Stoke. we all know why. Stoke were far better than us and we were lucky to get a draw.

Some of our players have lost the ability to engineer any craft. Not many clubs are less dynamic than us. It all looks too laboured and lacking direction. Players to me look afraid to express themselves apart from Kouyate and maybe Sakho. Don't know whether this is because of a fear factor or because they have been told how to play. I know it isn't in Allardyce's DNA to be dynamic but this cautious approach is affecting the players I feel. Some players have gone into their shells and look stale. The sooner we have a shake up the better. Cannot see many more points coming our way this season. How sad we have become but not as sad as some of the clubs in the relegation battle. I would just like to see some passion and flair coming through not stifling stagnation. We just haven't moved on at all.

one of the biggest factors in our recent decline, for me anyway is our ultra thin bench , when your lookin at fotball on the telly and you see the type of top quality players that come on for most of the teams ,in the top half anyway, then look at the crap we bring on , i think it might have the opposite affect that its meant to , in other words a lot of the team is creamed by now and who do they see coming on as reinforcements Laurel & fukin Hardy

Yeah it's definitely a big factor. Still got too many players who aren't good enough for PL top half. But we have only been back 3 years, and building a high quality 25 man squad takes time, or a billionaire owner. And we're still heavily in debt.

People are upset over the fact Nolan and Cole came on but lets look at the subs - jussi, o brien, demmel, jarvis, amalfatano, nolan and cole. So regardless of who he brought on, fans would still not be happy. If he brought no one on - fans would moan that "we should have brought on nolan or cole". No matter what bfs does, fans will demand the oppossite