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Cheltenham Town v West Ham United EFL 'Energy' Cup Teams

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Submitted by nevillenixon on Wed, 23/08/2017 - 18:51

Cheltenham: Flatt, Grimes, Cranston, Storer, Atangana, Pell, Wright, Winchester, Boyle, Eisa, Foster SUBS: Lovett, Dawson, Holman, O'Shaugnessy, Bower, Thomas, Graham
West Ham: Adrian, Byram, Ogbonna, Collins, Masuaka, Noble, Rice, Obiang, Fernandes, Ayew, Sakho SUBS: Hart, Fonte, Cresswell, Kouyate, Quina, Haksabanovic, Hernandez

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Rumours Chelsea in for Carvalho

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Submitted by albyforeverirons. on Wed, 23/08/2017 - 13:38

Jeez I will be pissed of if we lose out on him because S & G stuff this up over a couple of million, I know it's their money but I don't think I am the only one. If they are serious about us being a chance for a top seven club, deals like this have to go through. We have to have something for top players to want to come to us otherwise why did we have to move away from Upton park and why keep bigging themselves up talking about players that they don't have intentions of paying for. If you want big name players then you will have to pay money for them as they don't come cheap especially now. I still think they have done a good job getting us out of the shit but is it 2 steps forward or 3 steps back just to stay in the bottom 10.

the i dont no what to call it this season cup

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Submitted by mcbikeman on Mon, 21/08/2017 - 21:26

who plays in that? i am hoping we take it serious and dont overload it with to much youth...would like to see martinez get a run out upfront and young quina in midfield clearly adrian will start well for me he should and byram and arthur at full back as well yes i no fernandez will play but who else? i want us to win silverware this season and feel this is the best cup for us to win whatever its bloody well called.

everton/koeman and the kids

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Submitted by mcbikeman on Mon, 21/08/2017 - 21:15

Last season koeman gave some of his academy kids a chance in the everton first team..not on bench but playing time and now its bearing fruit....looking at how two of those kids are playing against citehs multi million pound squad shows that its not all about cash...everton spent big but still giving there youngsters a chance.....slav take note..give the kids experience it will do them a world of good.

Even The Hatchet Man Was Shocked By Mason's Ineptitude

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Submitted by nevillenixon on Mon, 21/08/2017 - 11:34

the big talking point of the weekend, for me, was the performance of Lee Mason at Southampton. He really struggled and I've questioned his ability before to look comfortable and control a game at Premier League level.

Mason is a very experienced official but he doesn't relax. Mark Noble was clearly off the ground with two feet and it was a clear red card for the challenge on Mario Lemina, yet the referee lets it go.

By allowing Noble to get away with it, other players suddenly think they can take control, and we'd already seen an outrageous elbow from Marko Arnautovic, which got him sent off.

Then there was the penalty, for Southampton's winning goal, which we all feel was a soft one. But when the referee has an indifferent performance and he makes the big calls, they are questioned by all of us.
Lee Mason
West Ham United's Marko Arnautovic is shown a red card by referee Lee Mason Credit: Reuters

It has only strengthened my belief that the Video Assistant Referee would help our match officials. As the season unfolds, with a limited number of top referees since we've lost Mark Clattenburg, it will only become more important that we utilise it.

The other big concern for me is the number of challenges where players are going up off the ground with studs being shown. I do think the PGMOL have a responsibility to speak to the PFA and LMA and get the message across that top players are in danger of being taken out by these challenges.

It is unwarranted in our game and is becoming more and more prevalent.

West Ham United full-back Pablo Zabaleta has praised Ireland underage defender Declan Rice for his confidence and enthusiasm in the Hammers opening round defeats to Manchester United and Southampton.

Rice was a 61st minute replacement for West Ham captain Mark Noble during the Irons 4-0 defeat at Old Trafford on the opening weekend of the season, with the 18-year-old earning high praise from Paul Merson, Phil Thomson and now Zabaleta for his cameo off the bench.

"To be honest, I love him," Zabaleta told the club's website.

"He’s young but he has got that personality that you need to play with the first team. He came on against Manchester United and he was always asking for the ball, switching the ball from one side to the other, he looks really confident and that’s good.

"I love young players coming through from the Academy and showing that they want to do well, so hopefully we can help him as much as we can, and I’m sure he will be a very important player for West Ham over the years to come."

Rice was subsequently rewarded with a start against Southampton on Saturday, a 3-2 loss at St. Mary's that rooted Slaven Bilic's side to the bottom of the table.

Despite the winless start to the season, Hammers manager Slaven Bilic detected positives largely inspired by his new striker Javier Hernandez.

Hernandez instinctively scored twice to take West Ham's 10 men level after they had fallen two goals behind and he had been asked to play on the left wing following Marko Arnautovic's reckless dismissal.

Only the concession of a late penalty, converted by Charlie Austin, denied the Hammers what would have been an impressive point one week after they were so poor in their 4-0 defeat at Manchester United, but Bilic recognised his persistence in chasing Mexico international Hernandez was paying off.

West Ham lost Carlos Tevez to Manchester United at the end of the same season, over 10 years ago, in which the retired Dean Ashton suffered an ankle injury from which he never truly recovered.

Since then and amid Andy Carroll's struggles for fitness they had lacked the prolific striker their ambitions demand, one Bilic revealed they had already missed out on when Hernandez previously rejected their advances.

"We wanted to get him when he left Manchester United for Leverkusen," said the manager of his £16million summer signing. "I called him then on the phone but he opted for Leverkusen.

"He called and said 'Thank you gaffer but I'm going to Germany but maybe we'll cross paths again' and now after two years it was like we weren't starting from zero.

"It helped make him choose us (this time). It was a disappointment then but like now we knew there were a few other clubs (interested).

"He doesn't have just one movement. He does a first movement, then a second, then third. He's so sharp over a few yards that it gives him the advantage. Mostly players who are quick don't have that movement or the other way round but he's got both."

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 21/08/2017 - 07:51

as much as i like the man, i think he needs taking out the team and replacing with someone with some energy who can get back and forwards more. being captain though means Bilic won't have the stomach for the change most likely. I'm not saying get rid of the man, not at all. just he's gone a bit stale in there and he has this repetitive habit of making silly tackles in dangerous areas, in every game he does it at least once. looking at what we have at the moment, options are limited with kouyate out and obiang looking just as bad but if we sign carvalho then imo noble needs to be benched. i do wonder however if the formation doesnt suit him. originally noble was a good attacking midfielder, scoring goals etc then he got pushed back into a DM. if bilic, big if and highly doubtful if, but if he changed the formation to a midfield 4, traditional style then i could see Noble being more effective with carvalho sitting as the DM (do we really need 2 x DM's?) and noble being more involved in a passing, getting forward role like he originally played. personally id play a midfield 4 of carvalho/noble, lanzini wide left, antonio wide right (old style wingers who get into the box too) and arnautovic and hernandez up front. carroll as an option alongside hernandez if ever available, sakho to replace hernandez when needed. thoughts?

Hernandez up front.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 21/08/2017 - 07:39

so apparently Bilic wanted Hernandez last season as well. so this means that this is a striker he has been looking to work with for a good while now. so I'm no football mastermind but surely if this is the case he has to have thought about how to utililize him as best as possible? i looked back at some leverkusen line ups and chichirito was up front in a 2 with a player sitting just behind him at times. at man u when he came on usually from the bench he went up front in a two or three to rescue the game. it just makes no sense to me playing him as a lone striker. in the first half v southampton he was practically not in the game as there was no service to him, when he did get the ball he was too deep. now harry for example would see him as a kitson, cottee or similar and play hartson or dowie etc alongside him. the big man to get his head to the ball, bully defenders around and basically hold it up for the small man to get onto. if you play one up front it means the lone striker has the full attention of the back 2 or 3. if you put someone alongside him then the very least that player takes one defender away giving him more space. now i know modern football is all about being boring and smothering the midfield but why can't bilic see that in the two rubbish games we've played so far hernandez came to life when he desperately changed it to a more attacking line up? even with sakho alongside him it looked far better, or antonio up there. you can't play 4-4-2 i know, its a dinosaur of a formation they say, its been killed off by 4-2-3-1, but teams in germany are still using it to good effect. just imagine if carroll is fit and we have him and chichirito up front. carroll would take 2 defenders off him for a start, leaving a gaping hole in the defence. or is the gaping hole in Bilic brain?

Lanzini

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Submitted by Burkie 1 on Sun, 20/08/2017 - 13:33

Ive got a bad feelin about this one ,i have for at least a month no summer friendly s and misses the first games of the season if the hub caps are arfter him for big money i think the Driscoll brothers will let him go ,i hate all the secrets surrounding transfers, same with Carroll if like most people believe he has an addiction problem why cant they say so instead of taking leading us up the garden path ,no one could be out as long as he is with an ankle injury or groin strain or whatever it is thats keeping him absent ,and another thing why cant we be told the truth about who was responsible for bringing in all that tosh last season im sure we've taken a loss on the the plebs that came here (still one or two hanging about )

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