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Allardyce is going, latest reports are saying he knocked back the chance of signing a two year deal and thank God for that because the majority of fans have had enough of the lifeless fat man. But if the owners think letting the fat man go and getting McLaren is the way to go for a club that is looking to build, then quite frankly they have lost their bleeding minds. Klopp was always an unrealistic target, after years of building what he has at Dortmund he would most likely want to go to a club with a bit of money and where he isn't forced to sell a whole crop of his best players every year. Benitez is also unrealistic, the man is a top 4 manager and at this stage of his career I don't think he has the need or desire to take on another long term project like West Ham would be. Bielsa has gone off the boil in France, Moyes is happy in Spain and who on earth know what Bilic is thinking. He would probably take the job of offered to him but for the owners he seems like a last resort. Then there are reports linking us with Howe, no disrespect to the man but we should be looking for someone with a lot more experience than he has, a brand name manager of you will. Howe is not it, not yet at least. So we have been linked with those 6 managers, from one extreme to another and not confident about any. For a team on the up, with the Olympic stadium move coming, and the potential of playing Europa league football next season, should it be this difficult??
It wouldn't be if SUGO made a
It wouldn't be if SUGO made a sodding decision about Sam. Letting the life slowly ebb away from the guy rather than cutting him loose months ago or telling him straight up they want someone else is not helping the matter. Goes back to MON and how they screwed that up. Now they are caught between a rock and a hard place and seem unsure of what to do. Their decision should have been made in February latest. Let me make it crystal clear to them in plain English so they get it.
TELL SAM NOW THAT HE'S FINISHED AT THE END OF THE SEASON. AND GO OUT AND PAY THE MONEY TO SOMEONE WITH HALF A F***IN IDEA.
All this pussy footing around has not helped the cause over the last couple of months.
They seem to want to have it
They seem to want to have it both ways: not release Sam until they have somebody else signed up. They should just announce that Sam is not being renewed, and ask for applicants, they will get plenty!! We are the 10 or 11th best team in the most watched league in the world, the league with more money swilling around in it than any other in the world... the idea that we couldn't find a top notch manager is ridiculous.
It's a good question. I think
It's a good question. I think that the owners are in a rock and a hard place. they've obviously spent a lot of money and done a lot of deals this season. However as well documented many of those weren't Allardyce signings. Maybe somebody from the outside doesn't want that level of interference. We are also hovering around that mediocrity part of the league, so any good European manager will be just managing a team in the Prem, not a European team. We're no better off than Stoke, Swansea or Palace in that respect and who could you see as a big name going there? Lastly as you say a lot of fans would find it necessary that we have a manger with prem experience, well then you get back to Allardyce quite quickly, who has more than he does. I liked the idea of Koeman last year but a lot of people said he doesn't have the experience, maybe we need someone like that, with new ideas? I think they'll give him another year out of desperation and rely upon the sentimental fact that most fans will want to be at UP for the last season. Whoever they do choose as a manger next, for me the following criteria needs to be met. Will they commit to develop our youth policy and academy back to where we were a generation ago? Will they play a more attacking style of football? Will they target cups as a route to silverware? Will they maintain a work ethic that is consummate with the fans expectations?
I just hope that the way the
I just hope ain't that the way the board have treated Sam will deter any manager with proven quality from taking over
I think they're all big boys
I think they're all big boys M6L, they know the score. I just don't think we're as attractive as we think we are
Well here me thinking the
Well here me thinking the world is our oyster betty lol
I'd take Bilic at this point,
I'd take Bilic at this point, they should go make him an offer he can't refuse.
Bilic NOW where grasping at
Bilic NOW where grasping at straws bully lol
I dunno, I've heard several
I dunno, I've heard several old players speak highly of him doing the job, and not many speak highly of Sam and his "favourites." lol
Yeah it does make you
Yeah it does make you grateful when you see Mcwolly with the brolly being linked now, weve gone from Klopp to Flopp lol
We are to blame a bit for looking to the skies
We must lower our expectations all this Klopp and Benitez silliness has to stop, and now.
Yes whether we are happy about it or not It may have to be a manager who may not be a world beater we have to come down a bit from our lofty brain free perch, bloody hell at one point Mourinho was mentioned somewhere and that is ridiculous why not Pep Guardiola ? .
I think that some of us are looking at the wage packet that Big Sam gets and thinking we should add a million or two on top and anyone will come running but it is not that simple money talks but these top managers want success too and unless our Chairmen can offer 100 million to buy players then the likelihood of getting someone very big or lets say a manager of high reputation will be difficult.
The best we can get is a foreign manager we do not really know who is doing well to well ish or a young and fresh manager like Koeman or Monk yes we may even have to take on Mclaren or even Hughes these are the possibilities and the sooner we realise this the better, and even getting a Koeman or a Monk will be difficult.
Dont let the door smack you on the backside as you leave!
Best News I've heard in a long long time :-) Too many rumours since Christmas saying he was gone and finally Allardyce has said it before the Board tell him what he already knows!
I did not want him anywhere near Upton Park four years ago and my feelings have remained the same (well almost! August - November 2014 the exception) He would have destroyed us next season and we would have remained in the bottom half and SUGO and us fans would be wishing he had gone, thankfully at long last he is going and has said so!!!
Lets be realistic they aren't
Lets be realistic they aren't going to announce anything until the season ends and no manager is going to publically admit they are leaving their current club for another.
Agree with you Harry you just
Agree with you Harry you just don't see any managers saying where they'll be next season. My thinking is if the Daves are having a problem with finding interest from anybody suitable it could be that they've paid Sam so much over the top that the expectation is they'll do it again for the next incumbent but that may not be what's on offer this time.
Agree with you Harry you just
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Agree with you Harry you just
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Media hype?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/11598549/West-H...
This is the full article but not sure I believe it.
Due to the crap that Sam has
Due to the crap that Sam has had to put up with from every angle, I wouldn't take it if I were offered it.
But as that's not going to happen anyway, if it were down to me I'd rule out the likes of McClaren, Bilic etc, and go for someone like Garry Monk with perhaps someone like Mike Phelan working alongside him.
I feel that this would be a way forward and give us a confident young manager with a highly experienced, accomplished and respected coach and strategist alongside him
him.
( now cue the vitriol from the usual suspects.)
I would but
I have no idea what the word 'vitriol' means :)
Not sure if I'm a usual
Not sure if I'm a usual suspect, but anyway... Why shouldn't he put up with crap? When he signed for us I don't recall we had to fight to get him. In fact I've heard him say that he was concerned he might not get another job at that point in his career. Some people seem to think we should get down on our knees to praise his saintly presence and vast achievements(?), but I reckon he has at least as much to thank us for, as we have him. He's an employee, like most of us, and most of us have to put up with a deal of crap in our jobs (until we retire!!! YAY!). And the huge amount of dosh he is reputably being paid, pays for a helluva lot of crap IMO.
I agree we need a forward looking youngish manager, but while he could have as many strategists/coaches alongside him, it's a one man job, and it has to be made plain who is the boss.
Said all I'm gonna say for
Said all I'm gonna say for now on the abuse hurled at the manager.
McClaren would definitely NOT "destroy the club" but we wouldn't progress very far with him. I agree, Monk is unlikely to leave Swansea but I think that he would be ideal for West Ham going forward.a few seasons of pl management under his belt and experience of European competition would put him way ahead of Eddie Howe in my view.
Don't be so dismissive of Dyche either, Burnley spent virtually nothing in either window and he also had quite an injury list too.
Would he be suitable for us? Not sure, but he'll be in the running I think.
Whoever comes in, I'd like to see a Phelan type of character involved too, a steadying hand, an old head if you like. We all need that when things start to get a bit shaky.
I doubt it'll be a left field appointment should Sam go, but it'll be interesting to see who the front runners are I think.
Because we are not an
Because we are not an appealing club. We cannot offer big money or a big name. We can only hope that a big stadium might just lure a big investor. From there on everything will line up. Sad truths about football.
McClaren is a solid Football
McClaren is a solid Football man who's made some poor choices and judgements in his career - the England job being a prime example. But to say that he's "ruined" or "destroyed" anything is ridiculous, even if used as a figure of speech.
To be honest if I'd been him
To be honest if I'd been him I wouldn't have taken the England job at that time, it's an impossible job at the best of times and after scholari had turned it down whoever took it on was being set up for a fall, and let's face it, he wasn't the first manager under whom England failed to qualify for a major tournament was he.
Maintaining Wolfsbergs success was almost as impossible and he mad many mistakes there, it was an appointment that didn't work, but let's be clear, there's no way in this world that anyone can say that he " ruined the club".
No, I wouldn't really want him at West Ham as all he'd do is keep us plodding along and there'd be little or no progress, but the club would remain solid.
Scholari?
I wouldn't use him as a comparison in any argument as look at the number of clubs he managed in his career, 20+!, and even Allardyce would have won the World Cup with the Brazillian Team consisting the likes of: Cafu, Carlos, Ronaldhino, Ronaldo, Rivaldo etc.
I didn't use him specifically
I didn't use him specifically, just mentioned that McClaren took the job as a "reserve option" and was therefore set up to ultimately fail.
Whoever had turned the job down before him McClaren had no chance with England and that was my point. (usual suspects, no thought, vitriol etc, etc, etc).