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Is Europe A Welcome Challenge Or Unwanted Distraction?

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Submitted by nevillenixon on Mon, 29/03/2021 - 13:23

Compared to some English clubs, the relationship between West Ham United and European competitions has been somewhat limited. During the 1960s and 1970s, Hammers went hell for leather to win the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup, regarding success in the trophy as a matter of prestige.

At the very first attempt, West Ham won the Cup Winners’ Cup in 1965, then reached the semi-finals the following season. Beaten by Belgian side Anderlecht in the 1976 final, the last foray in the competition was reaching the quarter-finals in 1981, losing to eventual winners Dinamo Tbilisi. Over the last two decades, participation in the UEFA Cup and its rebranded Europa League successor has been sparse. During the 1999-2000 campaign West Ham won one of the three Intertoto Cup finals, although after a 6-1 aggregate victory against Osijec in the First Round of the UEFA Cup, the European adventure was prematurely ended by Steaua Bucharest in the Second Round.

The 2006-07 appearance in the UEFA Cup was ended in just the First Round, as West Ham slumped to a 0-4 aggregate loss to Palermo. As for the most recent Europa League forays, they haven’t fared any better. After struggling to even make it to the third qualifying round in 2015-16, the Irons were dumped out by Romanian minnows Astra Giurgiu. As if that wasn’t bad enough, after making it past Slovenian outfit Domzale in the third qualifying round of the 2016-17 competition, West Ham were once again eliminated from the Europa League by – you’ve guessed it – the mighty Astra Giurgiu. Whether it’s a blessing or a curse, further humiliation has been avoided by failing to qualify for Europe again since then.

Nevertheless, unless there’s a diabolical slump in form between now and the end of the Premier League campaign, West Ham will be playing in one of three European competitions next season. Of course, the big prize for finishing inside the top four would be participation in the Champions League. Millions of fans around the world tune in, via live TV or football streams, as this is the most prestigious club competition in the world.

Given the extra revenue participation in the Champions League brings, it’s hard not to imagine the club wanting to perform well in the elite competition, should the opportunity arise. Games against the cream of the continent would likely fill the London Stadium. However, could the same be said for the so-called less important competitions? Given the most recent history of West Ham in the Europa League, even given the prospect of exciting rivals that can be faced in the group stages and beyond, it’s hard not to think of the competition as an unwelcome distraction for the club. Would they take the Europa League any more seriously than in the past?

The third and final alternative is the new UEFA Europa Conference League, which swings into play from next season onwards. Aimed as an opportunity to give more clubs a taste of the European experience, it will mostly be packed with clubs from leagues with low co-efficient ratings. Stacked with lengthy trips to eastern Europe, it’s tough to see any English club setting that amongst priorities, compared to domestic commitments.

One way or the other, Hammers will most likely be in Europe next season. How appealing that will be depends entirely upon the competition. -Ed Jnr

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When was the last time that happened?

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Submitted by Dartford Bhoy on Mon, 29/03/2021 - 09:34

Wasn't great to see two Hammers on the pitch at the same time for England!

This got me thinking, when did that last happen? family came up with:

Martin and Brooking?
Dev and Brooking?
Ashton and James?
Parker and Green?

I think it might have been, although not checked, Cresswell and Hart?

Dell 'Boy's' Cash For Moyes

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Submitted by nevillenixon on Sun, 28/03/2021 - 12:19

With the exception of those owned by state stealth, the vast majority of Barclays Premier League clubs are struggling to cope with the fiscal fall out generated by the Covid-19 pandemic, and West Ham United are most definitely one of them! It could be worse though, and we shall go in to the details in more depth now.

Certain 'institutions' known for their fiscal countenance have been caught out by the Pandemic, none more so than West Ham's London neighbours Tottenham, who have been forced to take out an eye watering £1 Billion loan in order to cover the shortfall of income from the newly constructed stadium, no one anticipated the loss of revenue that would occur from non-football related events scheduled to run throughout the off season.

While having nowhere near the financial commitments of 'Lord' Levy's club, Hammers still have a fiscal 'black hole' to fill, and to that purpose, the bean counters have come up with a relatively 'clever' resolution. It is common knowledge that assets held by the banks yield a paltry return, so 'cash rich' investment companies, trust and hedge fund conglomerates are seeking ways to get a bigger bang for their bucks.

The Dell corporation, started in a little box room 40 years ago but now worth in excess of £5 Billion are the unlikely 'cavalry' coming to the aid of the Irons, well not exactly Dell, more like the trust fund set out by the founder to look after his family, but irrespective of the monies origins, a £100 Million rolling loan' facility has been established.

In a way it is a win win for all parties, the Dell trust gets 2.5 % annual interest, which is FIVE times more than they would receive from a bank, and West Ham get to borrow money 'on the cheap', thus removing the need to sell 'player assets'. This is a unique turn of events, and could herald the beginning of an era when West Ham finally manage to retain their best players without having to sell them on to balance the books.

Of course some conspiracy theorists will view this latest development as a pre-cursor to the eventual lifting of the stringent FFP rules that the club has hidden behind for too many years, whichever way you look at it though, David Moyes will have sufficient funding to add to his squad whilst retaining those he wishes to keep, he will also have the benefit of having a massively reduced wage bill, one that could be reduced even more substantially should he manage to 'move on' Felipe Anderson, Andriy Yarmolenko and Winston Reid, their combined wages of over £300,000 per week have been crippling Moyes's attempts at completely overhauling the squad he has at his disposal. - Ed

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The Better He Plays The More We Pay!

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Submitted by nevillenixon on Fri, 26/03/2021 - 08:43

Jesse Lingard's phoenix-like re-emergence was officially confirmed last night as the Hammers star 'commanded' the pitch for England on his return to international duty, albeit against minnows San Marino. Unfortunately Lingard's performances for club and country have served to confirm what a good player he is, consequently his 'bad' parent club will be licing their lips with regards to the price they will be able to charge for his services.

The 'annoyance' that there was no option to buy included in Lingard's loan deal means that Manchester United will appear to hold all the aces, however, the player himself has made it abundantly clear that he sees his future away from Old Trafford, with West Ham being his preferred destination.

When the superb forward arrived at the London Stadium, he was an unknown quantity who quickly showed that all the time that he had spent away from the Mancs first team had not been wasted, and that he was actually as fit as a fiddle! Before he scored his brace against Villa on his Hammers debut, most observers thought that if he did OK, then he would be available for around £12-15 Million.

That £12-15 Million valuation has been blown out of the water by Lingard's tremendous performances, and consequently his value has surged to between £20-25 Million. The better he plays the more likely it is that another club, possibly Leicester City, might move in and 'gazump' the Irons for the 28 year old's services.

Obviously Hammers don't want to get in to a bidding war, the club's only trump card is that the player looks very happy at the London Stadium, he seems to get on really well with the rest of the squad and has a manager who believes in him. He might ask himself "would I have got called up for England again had I still been playing with the reserves at Old Trafford? and the answer would be most definitely a NO.

Like most modern day Barclays Premier League players, particularly the 'elite', Lingard is a wealthy man who has looked after his investments, the need for money is quite often offset by the desire to be happy in what is, after all, a very short career.

Finally, would Jesse lingard walk straight in to Manchester United's first team? Again the answer is no, a certain Bruno Fernandes, among others block his path. There is of course always the old chestnut comment " I want to go back and fight for my place" but lingard is older and wiser than that, and it is to be hoped that he will become a 'happy hammer' permanently this Summer. - Ed

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There Is Hope For Fans

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Submitted by nevillenixon on Thu, 25/03/2021 - 13:52

The waiting list, or more appropriately the length of the waiting list for season tickets looks like getting longer for most due to Hammers impressive form thus far this season, consequently the uptake of season ticket renewals is anticipated to be between high and very high!

However, all is not lost, and the following conditions give genuine hope that a season ticket holder can pass their ticket on to a friend or family member without fiscal punishment and without losing their ticket next time round. Supporters who took the 30% payment option for their 2020/21 Season Ticket do not need to take any action at this time and will be contacted by the Club in the coming days to discuss their options for 2021/22 renewals. For any supporters who may need a bit more time to feel comfortable returning to London Stadium, the Club is extending the option to transfer a Season Ticket to another supporter for next season.

Season Ticket holders aged over 70 and those who are categorised by the Government as ‘clinically extremely vulnerable’ will also be given the option to defer their Season Ticket for one season at no cost should they not wish to return immediately, and they will retain their seat for the 2022/23 season.
All this means there WILL be additional seats available, it will be interesting to see how the procedure is effected, because there are many who dearly wish to go to the London Stadium, despite it's obvious flaws as a proper football stadium, demand will outstrip supply, and it is to be hoped that there is a fair and justifiable procedure employed to ensure a genuine outcome for fans. - Ed

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International Break Survey

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Submitted by boogerscaravan on Wed, 24/03/2021 - 14:20

OK gang, in the past I've brought you what are your favourite colour pants to debate. So moving on a touch. What is your favourite take away and whats the special you like?

For me, it has to be Indian Garlic Chicken Chilli Massalla, with Bombay spuds and a Peshwari Naan with keema rice. I feel hungry now.....!!!

Could The LS Ever Be Fit For Purpose?

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Submitted by nevillenixon on Wed, 24/03/2021 - 11:55

The international break invariably 'throws up' a plethora of Hammers related articles that are 'left field', and during this break attention has turned to 'the most successful stadium move ever', as described by Lady Brady! After five years the initial problems remain the same, ie the collosal distance between the fans and the pitch.

While there has been a small amount of cosmetic treatment, the squaring off of both ends behind the goal mouths, the need for a comprehensive re jigging of the Stadium is painfully obvious to all and sundry. Due to the unique and quite frankly ludicrous, for all parties, terms of Hammers 'tenancy', the club is unable to carry out anything other than the equivalent to a 'new lick of paint' until the ownership of the London Stadium changes hands.

It should be remembered that as far back as the 'biscuit baron' era the club had offered to be involved, however, in their wisdom the LDDC decided to ignore any collaborative offers, and proceeded to write off many millions of tax payers money as a result! We should also mention that if it had not been for a certain Mr Levy, the club would have purchased the ground outright, but due to his enormous envy, he managed by fair means and foul, to stymie the process in true 'dog in a manger' style.

Levy, with nose clearly put out of joint then decided to build his own 'white elephant' at white hart lane, as a consequence his club now owe in excess of £1 Billion, and it couldn't have happened to a more deserving person, karma? You betcha!

So what can be done to the London Stadium to make it fit for purpose, without tearing it down and doing a complete rebuild? Well, surprisingly an awful lot. Any one who has been to the LS regularly cannot have failed to notice all the 'unused' seats and scaffolding underneath the main seating areas. Having consulted a friend of the site who has been involved in the cross rail construction project, we can confirm that it IS possible to completely alter the current sight lines by 'excavating' the pitch and opening up the level that already exists.

There is already the facility to be able to drive a truck under the ground, this was probably the only useful legacy from the Olympics, and was originally designed to facilitate and accomodate all the broadcasting equipment from nations around the globe, along with all their various logistical requirements.

Incidentally, talk of there being a 'toxic dump' underneath the stadium are wide of the mark, the is toxicity under most of London's buildings due to the fact that London, is essentially built on clay, and as such there is, and has always been, a degree of 'unpleasantness' associated with constructing large structures on clay, the difficulties are most definitely surmountable, it there is the will.

There is definitely the will, but is there the where withal, or indeed the desire to effect the changes necessary to turn the Stadium in to a football venue that is fit for purpose, at some point the co-owners will either have to put up or ship out and sell the club. - Ed

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International Break Good For Some But Not All

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Submitted by nevillenixon on Mon, 22/03/2021 - 20:27

The two week international break will be a welcome blessing to those recovering from injury and those who have run their hearts out, during the 'compressed' season, that is unless the player has been called way to represent their country. Playing for one's country has always been seen as the ultimate accolade that can be achieved in the game, but it can come at an enormous cost, both to player and club.

Hammers fans need look no further than Manuel Lanzini, who received what has been a 'career' changing injury while away with the Argentine squad, he has come back, but he is a shadow of his former self, despite his best efforts. So the pride fans have in seeing their players go off to do international battle, is offset by the fear of potential injuries being picked up.

There is of course the added element of Covid-19 now, a positive test for several, or even one player can have a catastrophic effect on any team, particularly one that has an incredibly thin squad, as do West Ham.

David Moyes has expressed concern about the 'Czech Mates' Tomas Soufal and Vladimir Coufal, they journey to areas that are not up to the same level of inoculation, and as such are more vulnerable to infection. There is also the question of 'burn out', Soucek, Coufal and Declan Rice have played virtually every minute of every game the season, and in recent games have, like many other Barclays Premier League players, looked very leggy compared to the team that took the league by storm after the first two games.

It should be remembered that two of the key players during that 'assault' on the top four are currently out injured, the influential Angelo Ogbonna, and the equally important Authur Masuaku. Moyes has been unable to replace what 'King' Authur brings to the team, his ability to bring the ball out of defence was one of the key reasons fore the team's early season success. The 'Angel' might have organised things at the back better to cope with Arsenal's resurgence on Sunday, who knows? But it will be superb to have him available for the crucial run in of this, the weirdest of seasons.

Hopefully none of those away will get injured or ill, international recognition is uplifting, but it can be very expensive in many ways. - Ed

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Reality check

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Submitted by mcbikeman on Sun, 21/03/2021 - 21:37

Tremendous game of football today and peed off as we all are about not putting the game to bed i think we all saw just how much more we need to do to keep us competing at the top end of the premier league...
Players need to be stronger mentally not just physically and understand that no game of football is won until the final whistle is blown.
we have come a long way in a very short space of time but still lots of work needs to be done and extra quality added to the squad in key areas but that's for the future for now lets enjoy whats left of the season and see just what we can do and where we end up.

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